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Hi all! Just to celebrate my 1k Karma (BTW, thank you a thousand times!!!), I prepared some tables regarding the matchup between Castle Age Knights and Camels. All this started when in one of my previous posts two redditors discussed whether Camels beat Knights 1v1 or not. The best guy to do this is Spirit of the Law (someone greet him and tell him I’m a big fan of him), but I have done my best so that I can help the community, although lacking a YT channel and media to include a video. In these tables we will get an idea of how both units fare against each 1v1 (today we forget Berber, Byzantine and Portuguese discounts for them), taking into account: - Bloodlines - Blacksmith attack/armor upgrades - Civ bonuses/techs that affect both units o Franks: +20% HP for Knights = Bloodlines for all! o Saracens: +10 HP for Camels o Teutons: +1 melee armor o Burgundians: Cavalier available (without bloodlines) o Lithuanian Relic Pick (maximum 4) o Sicilian defensive -50% attack bonus o Bulgarian Stirrups I hope I haven’t messed up the numbers. To follow the tables, here´s the legend: O = Unupgraded; at1 = +1 attack; ar1 = +1 armor; BL = Bloodlines; FU = Fully Upgraded. For the tables, colors mean: Red = Camel thrashes knight; Dark Orange = Camel wins consistently; Light Orange = Camel wins; Yellow = Slight advantage for camel; Green = Evenly matched, wins who hits first; Light Blue = Slight advantage for knight; Blue = Knight wins; Dark Blue = Knight wins consistently; Navy Blue = Knight thrashes Camel. I’ll start showing you the Generic Knight vs Camel matchup, only taking into account Stable and Blacksmith technologies: First of all, notice that only the lower half of the table applies to Franks, who get free BL. Regarding upgrades, both units are melee, and the general rule is to research armors before attacks. In the case of the camel, more than 50% of the damage is due to its bonus attack, so the attack upgrades, even if in some certain circumstances can change the result, should be left for the end. Camels should try to resist as much as they can so that they can hit again with their +9 bonus. But let us suppose that you haven’t researched anything before reaching Castle Age. So, Bloodlines or Armors? Well, the results say that BL should be first, but just with a tiny advantage. The advantage for BL will be lost if you are low in gold (1st armor costs only food) or you can’t idle your stable(s) for army production. The same will be said if you have researched the 1st armor and you doubt again. In this case, resource issues favor researching BL over the 2nd armor, but the armor can be researched so that you don’t stop camel production. For knights, defenses also work better than attacks, and again BL should go first, but if you have already researched the 1st armor, BL and the 2nd armor give exactly the same results. The same applies for Magyars, who will already have an edge due to the free attack upgrades. If Camels mirror Knight upgrades, Camels win, or at least they trade equally. Between both FU Castle Age units, the result is an equal matchup. Now, how does the Saracen +10 HP Camel bonus affect? Let’s check it out: The table now is favored for the camel. That 10HP boost means that you need at least BL or 2 blacksmith techs for the knight to beat the unupgraded Camel. If the Saracen researches BL, the Knights should need to fully upgrade the blacksmith or BL and at least 2 blacksmith techs. For Teutons, the extra melee armor turns the table bluer, and a Camel can only kill a fully armored (+BL but no attacks) Teuton knight by researching at least 4 upgrades. The biggest problem for Teutons is that the Camel player can choose what battles to take, especially after Husbandry. Burgundians can choose to upgrade the Knights to Cavaliers in Castle Age, and certainly, they should do it looking at the table. Cavalier is the same as BL +at1 +at2, and only costs 150F 150G. For Burgundians, if they have massed many knights or have more than one stable, idling it for Cavalier upgrade is a must when facing Camels. See the tone of the Table for Lithuanian relic picks? Well, if you let the Lith player pick 4 relics in Castle Age, you should type GG WP and think about what you’ve done wrong. Next table shows how crazy the Sicilian bonus is when fighting Camels with Knights. Poor Indians. The Sicilian Cataknights need very few upgrades to become unbeatable in Castle Age. I’m even thinking that a nerf is necessary! But then, don’t forget, that you have pikes, monks and your own knights (poor Indians, again) to fight these guys. Finally, I show the effect of the best UT in the game (top3 with Corvinian Army and Anarchy). Yes, you need a Castle, but the results show that Bulgarian Knights can fight in many circumstances Camels. To sum up, Camels and Knights are mostly evenly matched if there are no bonuses or a big difference in upgrades. When bonuses apply, the advantage can be huge. For the next episode, before going for group fights, I’ll matchup Saracen Camels with bonused Knights, and we will complete the data. But I’ll remove mostly attack-only columns, so that tables are a bit easier to read. I hope you enjoyed and I wish that the Tables are clearly seen (format issues). Thank you for comments and support and have a nice week! [link] [comments] |
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