Indians Civ NEEDS TO CHANGE!

I understand that AOE 2 is only a game and is not meant to recreate history, I do feel that way too many liberties have been taken with the Indian Civilisation, in a manner that make the Indian Civ feel inauthentic and shallow -- unlike what one may say for Mongols, Franks, Britons, Chinese or Aztecs.

A few notes on Indian History:
1. India is NOT China. While China has been united for most of past 2500 years, Before the British, only the (Islamic) Mughals were able to achieve unity through a tenuous alliance with the (Hindu) Rajputs. And that too for a short while.

  1. India's history rather mirrors that of Europe in its political fragmentation. Traditionally the North and South have never been united (till the British of course). And even in the North, the Kingdoms of Indus Valley Pains have been at odds with the Kingdoms and empires of Gangetic Plains.

  2. India's medieval history (which AOE 2 is meant to represent) exhibits the following:

a) Prior to the onslaught of Islamic invaders (11th century onwards), North India was basically full of Rajput rulers; whereas South was full of Chola kings and other dynasties inspired by them

b) Thereafter, in the North, Delhi Sultanate (Turkic and Afghan invaders) and Rajputs were perenially feuding till 16th century. In the South, there was the creation of the zealously Hindu Vijayanagara Empire - heavily inspired by the Cholas (who had ruled for over 800 years in some form or the other)

c) The Mughals (a "Timurud" Turkic-Mongol dynasty - shared ancestors with a whole lot of Turkish tribes as well) finally made peace largely in North by allying through marriage and other relations with the Rajputs.

Based on the above colourful history of the subcontinent, I feel representing the entire South Asia as "Indians" is simply inauthentic and basically WRONG. Alternatively, I recommend the Indian Civilisation be broken in three parts:

  1. Rajputs - Rajputs have been a feature of North India since 8th century to 18th century AD (which perfectly captures the time period AOE 2 seeks to emulate)
  2. Cholas -- Cholas are the nucleaus of all South Indian civilisations for the past 2000 years. This includes Vijayanagar - which modeled itself after the Cholas.

  3. Timurids -- The Turkic-Mongol dynasty that in India is now referred to as the Mughals. They were part of the Turkic expansion from Central Asia that also led to Ottomans and Safavids.

Ideally the Rajputs and Mughals should have a NEW Indo-Saracenic architecture (with Rajputs having temples and Timurids mosques) And Vijayanagara should be Hindu architecture (like the one currently in AOE 2). However, in the interests of brevity Rajputs may simply have Hindu Architecture and Timurids, the Middle Eastern Architecture.

How Civ bonuses maybe aligned (very hypothetical -- I shall leave it to game designers to really do the rest):

  1. Rajputs - Civ Bonuses on Fortifications and Heavy Cavalry

  2. Cholas - Civ Bonuses on Trade, Naval and Monks

  3. Timurids -- Horse Archers and Heavy Cavalry

Hope something can come off this.

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