Debate on smurfing in the Chinese AOE2 forum

Debate on smurfing in the Chinese AOE2 forum

I've seen a number of posts here complaining how they got crashed by smurf accounts from Asia (China, Vietnam, etc.). In fact, this phenomena, in TG specifically, has been well discussed at least in the Chinese AOE2 forum, and recently there was a debate on that.

In Chinese forums, people usually call smurf "炸鱼",which means "blasting the fish pond" (fish pond is a meme representing noob games). And this debate started from a user who called himself "King of fish-pond-blasting", i.e. "Smurf King". For some reasons - maybe because some noobies complained about how annoying smurf accounts were - Smurf King created a post defending himself, saying smurfing is totally reasonable and those who got abused should introspect why they are such unskilled. After that, he got some criticisms in the forum and he posted a video to reinforced some of his opinions.

- He and his team are skilled players (they can easily beat pro's team such as Yo, ViVi, Sitaux) and don't have to proof themselves anymore. They smurfed because they enjoyed winning and don't want to play hard games.

- The game shall follow the law of the jungle, big fish can naturally eat the smaller ones. They can do anything in the game to the noobs because they are just strong enough. If the noobs felt being bullied, they should practise more to avoid it. Also, Those who criticize smurfing are just SJWs.

He showed a game replay and commented how unskilled and stupid their opponents were (the left is the smurf team). In his opinion, their smurf team didn't pick civs and played casually, in such case the opponents should have opportunities to beat them but they couldn't because of the stupid mistakes. He himself, as well as his team members, labeled themselves "vigilantes" who filtered the unskilled players.

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I can't say more about how uncomfortable I was when I heard these narratives. In fact, the Smurf King is also showing off in different forums and trying to expand his smurf teams. Me and some other OPs tried to show how toxic smurfing is in terms of morality, fairness of game and how smurfing might destroy a game. Unfortunately, despite receiving a good chunk of criticisms after the video, the Smurf King insisted his opinions, that is, the skilled players can do anything they can in the game, and he still has a number of supporters.

Anyway, I just wanted to show that there do exist a portion of Chinese players who deliberately use smurf accounts to beat weaker players (especially in TG). They may not deliberately lose games to reach a lower elo, but create numerous new accounts instead. They are indeed well organized and has their own group chat. When you see a team like I showed in the figure (usually consisting more than two members with low elos but extremely high win rate), that's definitely a smurf team and please report it.

However, those players cannot represent the mainstream value of Chinese players. Smurf is a common phenomena in all games with ladder system and it exists all around the world. Maybe because there's a large population of Chinese players and Chinese IDs are such easy to be recognized, there's a stereotype that most Chinese players (or Asian players) are smurfing. In fact, the very large portion of Chinese players are also suffering from smurfing and they are trying hard to reduce such behavior. I hope we can keep fighting for it to create a more friendly gaming environment regardless of the nationality.

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