How do you fight Dutch units as Ottoman?

This is arguably one of the worst matchups for me. I can win it, but it just seems like their units are so good against Ottoman. Most of the time I win its because my economy is bigger due to macro play and I just outboom them.

The main problem stems from the fact that Janissaries are slow. The opponent seems to kite me around and the lack of speed prevents me from taking out my opponents units efficiently.

So if you rush your opponent with jans, they will see this coming and inevitably train skirms. These will kite your jans and be basically unkillable without cav. They will also ship 8 pikes to deal with your 3 hussar shipment. These pikes are faster than your jans and will sit behind their skirms until your cav rush, so you can't really take them out if they're smart. A good Dutch player will know how to rotate Skirms/pikes to prevent cav from clearing the skirms or jans from clearing the pikes.

Then in midgame is when it gets worse. Since their skirms are faster than jans, you can't touch them. If you try to train hussaurs or ship spahi, they will just gun them down with ruyuters. These ruyuters will avoid your jans at all costs while the skirms kite you to death.

To deal with this, of course you try to build artillery and sit the jans on it to protect it. But the dutch just build culverin to deal with that. And you can't charge the culverin with cav, or they will just use ruyuters as well as their buildings as cover.

Perhaps I can train Culverin too to contest theirs, but those are pop heavy and don't do that much when they don't have arty down

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